Comments on: An Invite to Open-Source the Church http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/ thoughts about embracing life, creative ideation, and compassionate living Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:16:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: charlestlee http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-383 charlestlee Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:32:55 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-383 Thanks for your thoughts Josh... I think you're right. My biggest question is whether or not people will actually use the resource even if available. It takes a very "open" posture to make this work. Hey Scott, I'm sure that there will be some concern in the doctrinal end of it yet the benefits will probably outweigh the potential criticism. We'll see. :) Thanks for your thoughts Josh… I think you’re right. My biggest question is whether or not people will actually use the resource even if available. It takes a very “open” posture to make this work.

Hey Scott, I’m sure that there will be some concern in the doctrinal end of it yet the benefits will probably outweigh the potential criticism. We’ll see. :)

]]> By: Scott Overpeck http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-382 Scott Overpeck Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:38:03 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-382 I love the idea and think that everyone here makes fantastic points. The biggest concern is that in an enviorment like this where so many different expressions of faith exist you will undoubtedly spend more time refereeing doctrinal disputes that advancing God's kingdom. Never the less, it sounds very exciting and anyhope that I can be I would love to be a part. I love the idea and think that everyone here makes fantastic points. The biggest concern is that in an enviorment like this where so many different expressions of faith exist you will undoubtedly spend more time refereeing doctrinal disputes that advancing God’s kingdom.

Never the less, it sounds very exciting and anyhope that I can be I would love to be a part.

]]> By: Josh http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-381 Josh Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:46:14 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-381 I just went back and watched Barry Libert's video again about the wisdom of crowds (<a href="http://charlestlee.com/2008/05/09/the-wisdom-of-crowds/" rel="nofollow">link</a>), and I read a few more articles by Clay Shirky about open sourcing (<a href="http://www.shirky.com/" rel="nofollow">link</a>). It really helped me to envision more what you're talking about. Even though I followed what you've told me about this idea, and am familiar with Google and Wikipedia's cultures of open sourcing, I still find that I have to take quite a leap to imagine an open source church collaborative project. What this means to me is that the developers of this project will have to work very hard to make this resource fathomable, accessible, usable, to users. It sounds fun. I like the challenge that the unknown produces. I just went back and watched Barry Libert’s video again about the wisdom of crowds (link), and I read a few more articles by Clay Shirky about open sourcing (link). It really helped me to envision more what you’re talking about.

Even though I followed what you’ve told me about this idea, and am familiar with Google and Wikipedia’s cultures of open sourcing, I still find that I have to take quite a leap to imagine an open source church collaborative project. What this means to me is that the developers of this project will have to work very hard to make this resource fathomable, accessible, usable, to users.

It sounds fun. I like the challenge that the unknown produces.

]]> By: charlestlee http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-380 charlestlee Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:35:26 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-380 Thanks for your comments Josh and I'm glad you are already on board :) I think you hit something on the head about whether or not churches would actually use this resource even if it were available. I'm asking people in the know who are processing this. John, the distinction between this and something like Life Church would be that this platform would allow for people to create work together. It would be an environment for formation as well as sharing. I'm glad you like the idea. Thanks for your comments Josh and I’m glad you are already on board :) I think you hit something on the head about whether or not churches would actually use this resource even if it were available. I’m asking people in the know who are processing this.

John, the distinction between this and something like Life Church would be that this platform would allow for people to create work together. It would be an environment for formation as well as sharing. I’m glad you like the idea.

]]> By: Big John http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-379 Big John Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:27:35 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-379 we've been using lifechurch.tv's open resource for some time, which is a platform where they put our their media, messages (outlines and transcripts), and tools for preaching --free for the public. i like where you're going.... not just on the messages spoken, but on other arenas as well such as the kind of practical ministries you guys are pioneering. i'd be there often. open source! lovin it.. we’ve been using lifechurch.tv’s open resource for some time, which is a platform where they put our their media, messages (outlines and transcripts), and tools for preaching –free for the public. i like where you’re going…. not just on the messages spoken, but on other arenas as well such as the kind of practical ministries you guys are pioneering. i’d be there often. open source! lovin it..

]]> By: Josh http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-378 Josh Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:03:38 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-378 Travis, I also liked your part about those who would feel comfortable sharing in this environment. And I'm going to steal your format of going through the questions: <b>Would you use and contribute to this kind of open-source church resource?</b> I think so... I'm trying to imagine myself in various shoes, using this resource. As a pastor, I find myself searching the internet as a consumer for ideas/media/etc. but (as a pastor), it would take something special for me to find the desire to take the effort to be a collaborator in a project that's not directly related to my own [church]. I can see a youth pastor leading his congregation to collaborate together in an online environment, though. <b>What strengths (if any) do you see in such a web resource?</b> I think the market is approaching ripeness for such a resource. See Clay Shirky's <a href="http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html" rel="nofollow">blog article</a>. Also, I can see users forming an awareness and community with the wider Church, which I think is a good thing. <b>What concerns (if any) do you have for such an endeavor?</b> I see it in terms of any start-up - there's risk in using resources to create something that people may or may not buy into. It's just so hard to know, since we don't currently have any models (that I've seen). <b>Do you see yourself helping us out in creating this? If so, how?</b> Yes. Web design, general opinion giver =p <b>Is this idea consistent with the values and principles presented in the Bible?</b> Yeah, I think the Bible said the internet was good... <b>Do you know of anyone (including yourself) who would financially invest in this kind of endeavor?</b> Yes, I'd financially invest in this. As soon as I get some more money, but yes. Travis, I also liked your part about those who would feel comfortable sharing in this environment. And I’m going to steal your format of going through the questions:

Would you use and contribute to this kind of open-source church resource?
I think so… I’m trying to imagine myself in various shoes, using this resource. As a pastor, I find myself searching the internet as a consumer for ideas/media/etc. but (as a pastor), it would take something special for me to find the desire to take the effort to be a collaborator in a project that’s not directly related to my own [church]. I can see a youth pastor leading his congregation to collaborate together in an online environment, though.
What strengths (if any) do you see in such a web resource?
I think the market is approaching ripeness for such a resource. See Clay Shirky’s blog article. Also, I can see users forming an awareness and community with the wider Church, which I think is a good thing.
What concerns (if any) do you have for such an endeavor?
I see it in terms of any start-up – there’s risk in using resources to create something that people may or may not buy into. It’s just so hard to know, since we don’t currently have any models (that I’ve seen).
Do you see yourself helping us out in creating this? If so, how?
Yes. Web design, general opinion giver =p
Is this idea consistent with the values and principles presented in the Bible?
Yeah, I think the Bible said the internet was good…
Do you know of anyone (including yourself) who would financially invest in this kind of endeavor?
Yes, I’d financially invest in this. As soon as I get some more money, but yes.

]]> By: charlestlee http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-377 charlestlee Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:00:22 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-377 thanks travis for the note! it's encouraging to hear that you have interest in this kind of online community. i will definitely keep you posted on the matter. i especially liked your thoughts about such an environment creating space for people who normally wouldn't contribute in other kinds of forums. i think there are plenty of "quite" people that have some of the best ideas. please don't hesitate to send more thoughts this way! love to hear more from you. thanks travis for the note!

it’s encouraging to hear that you have interest in this kind of online community. i will definitely keep you posted on the matter. i especially liked your thoughts about such an environment creating space for people who normally wouldn’t contribute in other kinds of forums. i think there are plenty of “quite” people that have some of the best ideas.

please don’t hesitate to send more thoughts this way! love to hear more from you.

]]> By: Travis Martz http://www.charlestlee.com/creativity/an-invite-to-open-source-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-376 Travis Martz Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:02:17 +0000 http://charlestlee.wordpress.com/?p=236#comment-376 Would you use and contribute to this kind of open-source church resource? - Yes What strengths (if any) do you see in such a web resource? -It is a fresh innovative way to network and create an online sense of community within the church. Some positive aspects i see from the development of this online open-source church is the ability to mesh ideas, thoughts, and visions, with the resources and investment needed to bring these things to life. It also pleases me to see an environment that encourages new ideas and opinions in a non-intimidating way. Many great creative minds will have the chance to get their voice heard without the stresses and pressures of stage fright or peer judgement. Not only will this resource lead to an unimaginable number of new ideas and ways of advancing the kingdom, but will bring clearer better-thought out missions due to public collaboration and organized criticism. What concerns (if any) do you have for such an endeavor? - The only concern i see in this is the ability to steal and capitalize of another's idea or vision. Although we should not see this as a concern within the church, i do not find it outlandish to give it a thought. However even if this was a legitimate fear it would still not be valid enough to sway my thoughts towards this endeavor. Do you see yourself helping us out in creating this? If so, how? - Yes, i have no idea! Would you help us get the word out about this once it is formed (via social networking sites, blogs, websites, etc.)? - Yes Is this idea consistent with the values and principles presented in the Bible? - Collaboration, community, and sharing are all principles found in the scriptures. Do you know of anyone (including yourself) who would financially invest in this kind of endeavor? -No Would you use and contribute to this kind of open-source church resource?
- Yes
What strengths (if any) do you see in such a web resource?
-It is a fresh innovative way to network and create an online sense of community within the church. Some positive aspects i see from the development of this online open-source church is the ability to mesh ideas, thoughts, and visions, with the resources and investment needed to bring these things to life. It also pleases me to see an environment that encourages new ideas and opinions in a non-intimidating way. Many great creative minds will have the chance to get their voice heard without the stresses and pressures of stage fright or peer judgement. Not only will this resource lead to an unimaginable number of new ideas and ways of advancing the kingdom, but will bring clearer better-thought out missions due to public collaboration and organized criticism.
What concerns (if any) do you have for such an endeavor?
- The only concern i see in this is the ability to steal and capitalize of another’s idea or vision. Although we should not see this as a concern within the church, i do not find it outlandish to give it a thought. However even if this was a legitimate fear it would still not be valid enough to sway my thoughts towards this endeavor.
Do you see yourself helping us out in creating this? If so, how?
- Yes, i have no idea!
Would you help us get the word out about this once it is formed (via social networking sites, blogs, websites, etc.)?
- Yes
Is this idea consistent with the values and principles presented in the Bible?
- Collaboration, community, and sharing are all principles found in the scriptures.
Do you know of anyone (including yourself) who would financially invest in this kind of endeavor?
-No

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